“He’s Never Satisfied” – Exclusive Interview with John Scully, Coach of Artur Beterbiev

By Caryn A. Tate

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Beterbiev vs. Bivol

This Saturday, October 12, unified light heavyweight world champion Artur Beterbiev (20-0, 20 KOs) faces the only other title holder in the division, Dmitry Bivol (23-0, 12 KOs). The winner of the contest will become the undisputed champion of the division—a rare achievement in modern boxing.

Beterbiev, who holds the IBF, WBC, and WBO world titles, has an unusual and impressive 100% knockout ratio. But even more impressive are his skills inside the ring. He possesses the unusual ability to box well on the outside and utilize angles and distance to do what he wants on the inside, even against taller and longer opponents.

I spoke with Beterbiev’s coach, former boxer John Scully, about Beterbiev and what Scully sees in his champion fighter.

Boxing Fundamentals

“I think people are starting to figure it out, but I was just telling someone the other day…in general terms, Artur is seen as Clubber Lang, you know, Mr. T in Rocky III. He’s a brute and just comes in and just destroys you.

“If you pay attention, this is far from the truth. Artur is so technical and he concentrates on distance and positioning and counter punching and all these things. When you see him do these things, they’re no accident. He’s planning these things out constantly. I’ve worked with a lot of guys, a lot of champions, and Artur is honestly the only guy I’ve ever seen who every single day is working on the most basic fundamentals, the most basic techniques. He works on them like it’s his first day in the gym. Like he just learned it yesterday.”

Inside Fighting

Beterbiev has an underrated and rare skill of fighting effectively on the inside, at close range, despite being a big puncher (as punchers typically need range and longer distance to get full extension on their shots). Plus, he hails originally from the Russian school of boxing where infighting is not typically emphasized.

“In the amateurs, Artur was under the Russian system which is basically like stand up straight and fight on the outside type of thing,” Scully said. “So he was never really a body puncher, and he was never really an inside fighter. So it’s been kind of a process. Slowly but surely, and he’s much better at it now. He’s improved every fight.

“I happened to mention to Mark (Ramsey, Beterbiev’s head coach), ‘He’s really getting his leverage super consistently now.’ You know, getting low, and he understands all that. So, yeah, I think his body punching and techniques on the inside have improved a great deal in the last three or four years.”

Scully discussed Beterbiev’s typical fight preparation, specifically the sparring, in more detail.

“A lot of guys (sparring partners) don’t necessarily want to be on the inside with him. So we just kind of let it play out and hopefully it (inside fighting) comes to fruition.

“Truth be told, his pressure is the type of thing where sooner or later he’s going to get you on the inside. That’s why we always have several sparring partners so that they can come in and out and not get worn down so easily.”

Discipline

Back in 2017 when Beterbiev fought Enrico Koelling for the IBF, his first world title, the fight went all the way to the 12th and final round before Beterbiev stopped Koelling.

Scully recalled, “Before the last round, I remember saying to whoever I was next to in the corner, kind of offhandedly, ‘Knowing Arthur, he’s probably going to stop him this round.’ After (the fight), we asked him and he just said kind of matter of factly, ‘You know, I just wanted to see if I could go 12.’”

Scully understands very well the importance of a fighter’s mental toughness and ability to focus no matter the circumstances.

“Artur is the type of guy who is so zoned in,” Scully said. “I’ll give you an example. When he got cut against Marcus Browne, it was a brutal headbutt and blood was all over his face. And the amazing thing is, at no time in the corner did he mention it at all. Most fighters are going to say, ‘Is it bad? Is it bad?’ He didn’t. He pretended that he didn’t even know he was cut.

“With most of my fighters, I’m dialed into their mentality and helping them strengthen it, but with Artur that’s not even an issue. He doesn’t need my help.

“Mentality is everything to me as a professional boxer. And he has it. He has the mentality where he’s never satisfied. He’s always trying to practice and learn. It’s kind of a funny thing, but he’ll say, ‘I want to be a good boxer one day.’

“He doesn’t see himself as this great fighter. He sees himself as a guy who’s just trying hard but still wants to get better. My gut feeling is that it’s intertwined with his religion to a degree–you couldn’t be a more devout Muslim than this guy.

“And I think it’s ingrained in him to keep trying to improve, keep trying to get better. You can never, never be complacent. You can never accept that you’re at your peak, that you’re at your best. You always have to strive to be better. That’s my gut feeling from him and his mentality.”

Taylor vs. Catterall 2: This Is What’s Wrong With Boxing

by Caryn A. Tate

Jack Catterall (29-1, 13 KOs) fought a fantastic fight against Josh Taylor (19-2, 13 KOs) on Saturday in the highly anticipated rematch that was broadcast in the United States on ESPN+ and DAZN. The official judges scored the fight 117-111 (twice) and 116-113 for Catterall.

Personally, I scored the fight 116-112 for Catterall. There were only a few close rounds. Both men fought a good match, but the majority of rounds Catterall won clearly.

Unfortunately, after the scorecards were read, the promoters took over and reminded everyone why modern-day boxing is struggling to be seen or cared about by the masses.

This is what’s wrong with boxing. Promoters Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn took the microphone and the moment from Jack Catterall, winner of the contest.
Picture By Mark Robinson, Matchroom Boxing

The promoter of Josh Taylor, Top Rank’s Bob Arum, interrupted the interviewer who was in the middle of a conversation with Jack Catterall. Arum said, amidst a sea of boos from the crowd, “I saw the fight like everybody else. Those scorecards were a disgrace! Were an absolute disgrace! I really feel sorry for Josh. I thought he won the fight. But those scorecards were ridiculous.”

He went on to say, oddly, “And that’s a lesson! I will never, ever allow an American fighter to come here with this British Board scoring the fight. Those scores were ridiculous.”

It was a bizarre statement, particularly considering neither Josh Taylor or Jack Catterall are American.

It was an absurd tirade that was not only out of place but so obviously self-serving as to be insulting. Since Arum is the promoter for Josh Taylor, it doesn’t take a brilliant mind to realize it serves Arum’s bottom line to claim a need for a third Taylor-Catterall fight…despite Taylor having clearly lost both the first and second contests.

As if not to be outdone, Catterall’s promoter Eddie Hearn (of Matchroom), took to the microphone after Arum and said, “I thought the judges’ scorecards were too wide. But the winner was bang on. Jack Catterall won that fight.”

The charade continued with the DAZN broadcast commentary which echoed Arum’s desire for a third fight because the second bout was just so closely contested that the commentators couldn’t decide who should have won.

Even in the ESPN app, the “news” headlines tried to persuade readers with titles like “Jack Catterall comes out victorious in close fight vs. Josh Taylor,” and “A victory in rematch vs. Josh Taylor has Jack Catterall moving on to bigger and better things, but is he ready?”

Factually, the official scorecards (117-111 twice and 116-113) would not justify using a term like “close” for this fight. There is zero logic in insinuating Catterall is not ready for a title fight after beating former undisputed 140-pound champion Josh Taylor at least once (by fact) and arguably twice (according to public opinion in their first fight).

The sloppy brainwashing attempts from the business people in boxing working behind the scenes of the apps and platforms are just embarrassing.

These days, legitimate, intriguing fights such as Taylor-Catterall 2 are often overshadowed by the narratives of business people like Bob Arum (Top Rank) and Eddie Hearn (Matchroom) who dominate the conversations to serve their own bottom lines. Platforms have in many cases become mouthpieces of the promoters in question, rather than providing honest and unbiased analysis about what actually happens inside the ring.

Boxing fans deserve to hear more from the fighters themselves, who put everything on the line to get in the ring and fight. Fans would also learn a lot and enjoy insight from the fighters’ coaches and impartial, expert commentators.